lazycis
12-14 01:47 PM
OK, let's assume the SC invalidates country-based quotas. All EB-based immigration has to stop at that point until new law is written and passed. New law can remove EB immigration altogether or implement quotas in a different way. It's a dicey citation at best. On top of this, you do not realize how hard it is to win constitutional challenge. We are having difficult time convincing judges that the USCIS has a duty to process our applications. The government argues that it does not have to process them if it chooses so and a lot of judges support that position!!!
Rajiv Khanna made a great effort on behalf of all EB-based applicants but even he could not get class action certification for AOS delays.
If you are looking for an advice, write or e-mail to AILF or ACLU. No need to spend IV money on this. Do not get me wrong, I am always glad to support new ideas and to challenge government in court, but this one is just not going to fly. EEO is completely different area and there is no conflict between EEO and the INA whatsoever. It's nice to be able to see outside of the box, but from time to time it's good to use conventional wisdom as well.
Rajiv Khanna made a great effort on behalf of all EB-based applicants but even he could not get class action certification for AOS delays.
If you are looking for an advice, write or e-mail to AILF or ACLU. No need to spend IV money on this. Do not get me wrong, I am always glad to support new ideas and to challenge government in court, but this one is just not going to fly. EEO is completely different area and there is no conflict between EEO and the INA whatsoever. It's nice to be able to see outside of the box, but from time to time it's good to use conventional wisdom as well.
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bayarea07
07-28 11:14 AM
Thanks Gopi for such a sane post, I second what you said below , a person has to be ready mentally to be approached for any business and if they are not ready then the same conversation which they might find helpful at the time when he is mentally ready would look like as a harassment when they are not mentally ready.
and that is what BWW is not doing, beside all what you said i also believe they lie to you a lot as it happened with me on several occasions, they would lie about the credentials aof theirs and theirs upline because they think people are more open to hear from persons who are more successful and thats why they lie about education and job etc..
One of the Diamonds came to my house last year and he projected that he is going to be my best friend even though i said Yes or NO.
He came to my house several times,he would call me everyday and ask me about life in general and all the while behaved as one of my best friend/brother and he disappeared with no phone call at all as soon as i said NO to my upline.
And i believe these all practices of theirs is whats turning people off.
Jayleno - me thinking sane is the reason you didn't hear from me in any malls/WM :) but I was a minority in BWW who believes in waiting till you find like minded people who are looking. cold contacting is just going against human instincts. you can't simply talk to a person about something to get his phone number and call them about this business next day. that is a reg flag right there. i couldn't do it and hence not with this business anymore. many of us are not ready to think about making millions in few short years. some people need to understand that you can't rub that idea with force on another human being.
in BWW terms, i was a quitter who can't take the business to the next level because I was afraid of rejection (getting a NO from prospects)..
and that is what BWW is not doing, beside all what you said i also believe they lie to you a lot as it happened with me on several occasions, they would lie about the credentials aof theirs and theirs upline because they think people are more open to hear from persons who are more successful and thats why they lie about education and job etc..
One of the Diamonds came to my house last year and he projected that he is going to be my best friend even though i said Yes or NO.
He came to my house several times,he would call me everyday and ask me about life in general and all the while behaved as one of my best friend/brother and he disappeared with no phone call at all as soon as i said NO to my upline.
And i believe these all practices of theirs is whats turning people off.
Jayleno - me thinking sane is the reason you didn't hear from me in any malls/WM :) but I was a minority in BWW who believes in waiting till you find like minded people who are looking. cold contacting is just going against human instincts. you can't simply talk to a person about something to get his phone number and call them about this business next day. that is a reg flag right there. i couldn't do it and hence not with this business anymore. many of us are not ready to think about making millions in few short years. some people need to understand that you can't rub that idea with force on another human being.
in BWW terms, i was a quitter who can't take the business to the next level because I was afraid of rejection (getting a NO from prospects)..
snthampi
08-02 04:43 PM
Can they stoop to such level?
I think they do. But again, it is my opinion. I have very bad opinion of these folks, because of my experience as a former IBO (15 days only) and a victim of torture by other IBOs.
I think they do. But again, it is my opinion. I have very bad opinion of these folks, because of my experience as a former IBO (15 days only) and a victim of torture by other IBOs.
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eb3_nepa
06-27 11:40 PM
Yes. Agreed. But what this means is that if they approve too many cases then they may issue August bulletin with retrogressed dates. And that's fine because they can do that and everyone expects dates to retrogress either in August bulletin or in subsequent bulletin.
Which portion of the Ombudsman report says that "In the middle of the month for which bulletin is already out there with current dates, they can just stop accepting applications and sort of "REVISE" an already issued bulletin".
WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT ???
And I am still looking for source of information where in the middle of the month for which a bulletin was already issued in preceding month, USCIS chose to stop accepting petitions and not honor the bulletin issued by DOS with current dates.
I am seeing a lot of copy-paste from lawyers websites but NONE, I repeat, NONE has a government website URL or any official source.
Those who still want to believe can choose to believe this. It will make people file on July 1st, if its in their hands. If its in the hands of HR department and company lawyers, it will make them raise their blood pressure until the lawyer sends them an email on July 25th that the Fedex went out today.
I believe that regardless of what August bulletin shows, July bulletin on DOS website applies to month of July all the way thru July 31st and as long as you file before July 31st, you are fine.
I made myself look like an idiot by asking such questions to my lawyer, who is already going nuts over the suddenly sky-rocketing workload of 485 petitions. There is another guy who made a fool of himself by asking the lawyer this question.
And people keep posting new updates and baseless sources to add credence to this baseless rumor. Suit yourself.
Logiclife,
I agree with what you say. However I dont see any evidence on the USCIS/DOS website that says that USCIS/DOS CANNOT change the dates mid-month either. THAT part is worrying me (and everyone).
Which portion of the Ombudsman report says that "In the middle of the month for which bulletin is already out there with current dates, they can just stop accepting applications and sort of "REVISE" an already issued bulletin".
WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT ???
And I am still looking for source of information where in the middle of the month for which a bulletin was already issued in preceding month, USCIS chose to stop accepting petitions and not honor the bulletin issued by DOS with current dates.
I am seeing a lot of copy-paste from lawyers websites but NONE, I repeat, NONE has a government website URL or any official source.
Those who still want to believe can choose to believe this. It will make people file on July 1st, if its in their hands. If its in the hands of HR department and company lawyers, it will make them raise their blood pressure until the lawyer sends them an email on July 25th that the Fedex went out today.
I believe that regardless of what August bulletin shows, July bulletin on DOS website applies to month of July all the way thru July 31st and as long as you file before July 31st, you are fine.
I made myself look like an idiot by asking such questions to my lawyer, who is already going nuts over the suddenly sky-rocketing workload of 485 petitions. There is another guy who made a fool of himself by asking the lawyer this question.
And people keep posting new updates and baseless sources to add credence to this baseless rumor. Suit yourself.
Logiclife,
I agree with what you say. However I dont see any evidence on the USCIS/DOS website that says that USCIS/DOS CANNOT change the dates mid-month either. THAT part is worrying me (and everyone).
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gc_check
06-15 01:45 PM
Luck does plays in big role in EB Immigration.
Prior to PERM, people applied from one of the States that were processing fast got the GC within couple years. People mainly from NY,NJ,CA,TX,OH and few others were those unlucky ones who had to go through back log elimination center with very old PD's. All, dates were current till Dec 31,2004 and most people who were able to get Labor approval prior to date were able to file 485 prior to this date and most got GC's. But BEC was slow in the beginning, they had this 45 day letter, etc... and by the time, labor approvals started from BEC, priority dates were already retrogressed. Still most people if not all got their GC's. They are still a significant numbers with PD's from 01,02 and 03 waiting in EB3 category and a few in EB2. Since late 2000 and 2001 were not a nice year for s/w sector, i believe a greater number of people were forced to change employment and without a approved I-140 they were not able to carry their PD. Also few folks stuck with a pending AOS somehow got lucky in July.
There are multiple form posts with reference to Oppenheim statements and I quote the link from Murthy website
http://www.murthy.com/news/n_ebvisa.html
I believe the significant % of numbers of pending application in EB2 would be with a PERM labor and all are with PD with March 2005 or later and few with traditional labor process. Assume 90% of applicants with PD earlier than 2003 should have got their GC's and if not will soon. EB3 would have a mix of folks waiting as many people are with PD 2004 or later and when dates were current, none bothered about the category in which GC/ labor was filed. EB3, had not gotten any unused visa from other categories and given the current scenario, it does not look bright either, unless EB2 is current, numbers don't trickle down to EB3 and EB3 ROW itself is in severe demand. I do know few unlucky friends of mine with EB3 PD of 2004 or earlier still waiting to file AOS.
We all know, till Sept 09, nothing would change. Come Oct 2009, with FY10 visas, at least pre-prem EB2 folks have a better change but for EB3, unless you are 2001 / 2002 chance are very little in FY10 and folks with PD03 and sooner can cautiously bet on FY11, unless there is some congressional intervention, the only option is to wait...
But if we can get one or two small relief, if not a complete solution to the entire mess, legislative solution like Not counting dependent (On average each primary application consume 2-3 visa numbers based on history), re-capture unused numbers, waive per country limit for n number of years or exclude people with PD older than 5 years and already in US (just an example) or exclude people who already have 40 credits points with SSA (At least these people have contributed to the country significantly ~10 yrs and already consider they are part of this society ) might help.
Also, lately there seems to be a lot of venting out in the forums rather than having a constructive debate / discussion. Also just talking does not translate to results.
It is practically not possible for all to be actively involved in works IV core is doing (appreciate them) for various reasons but small or big at the least, a one time contribution from all who have not done so far might help these folks who dedicate their time and energy and result in a relief for all. Change doesn't come @ ease. I am not active either, but from time to time, I try to do the small part I can. Given the dynamic environment we are in, we need to do something today or it is too late.... This forum has 30,000 + members and $10 per individual could translate to 300K that can be put to good use. Nothing is free in this world.
Prior to PERM, people applied from one of the States that were processing fast got the GC within couple years. People mainly from NY,NJ,CA,TX,OH and few others were those unlucky ones who had to go through back log elimination center with very old PD's. All, dates were current till Dec 31,2004 and most people who were able to get Labor approval prior to date were able to file 485 prior to this date and most got GC's. But BEC was slow in the beginning, they had this 45 day letter, etc... and by the time, labor approvals started from BEC, priority dates were already retrogressed. Still most people if not all got their GC's. They are still a significant numbers with PD's from 01,02 and 03 waiting in EB3 category and a few in EB2. Since late 2000 and 2001 were not a nice year for s/w sector, i believe a greater number of people were forced to change employment and without a approved I-140 they were not able to carry their PD. Also few folks stuck with a pending AOS somehow got lucky in July.
There are multiple form posts with reference to Oppenheim statements and I quote the link from Murthy website
http://www.murthy.com/news/n_ebvisa.html
I believe the significant % of numbers of pending application in EB2 would be with a PERM labor and all are with PD with March 2005 or later and few with traditional labor process. Assume 90% of applicants with PD earlier than 2003 should have got their GC's and if not will soon. EB3 would have a mix of folks waiting as many people are with PD 2004 or later and when dates were current, none bothered about the category in which GC/ labor was filed. EB3, had not gotten any unused visa from other categories and given the current scenario, it does not look bright either, unless EB2 is current, numbers don't trickle down to EB3 and EB3 ROW itself is in severe demand. I do know few unlucky friends of mine with EB3 PD of 2004 or earlier still waiting to file AOS.
We all know, till Sept 09, nothing would change. Come Oct 2009, with FY10 visas, at least pre-prem EB2 folks have a better change but for EB3, unless you are 2001 / 2002 chance are very little in FY10 and folks with PD03 and sooner can cautiously bet on FY11, unless there is some congressional intervention, the only option is to wait...
But if we can get one or two small relief, if not a complete solution to the entire mess, legislative solution like Not counting dependent (On average each primary application consume 2-3 visa numbers based on history), re-capture unused numbers, waive per country limit for n number of years or exclude people with PD older than 5 years and already in US (just an example) or exclude people who already have 40 credits points with SSA (At least these people have contributed to the country significantly ~10 yrs and already consider they are part of this society ) might help.
Also, lately there seems to be a lot of venting out in the forums rather than having a constructive debate / discussion. Also just talking does not translate to results.
It is practically not possible for all to be actively involved in works IV core is doing (appreciate them) for various reasons but small or big at the least, a one time contribution from all who have not done so far might help these folks who dedicate their time and energy and result in a relief for all. Change doesn't come @ ease. I am not active either, but from time to time, I try to do the small part I can. Given the dynamic environment we are in, we need to do something today or it is too late.... This forum has 30,000 + members and $10 per individual could translate to 300K that can be put to good use. Nothing is free in this world.
Keeme
04-01 04:20 PM
I remeber how brutal Imran used to be to Indian openers with his deadly in-swinger. Those were days of good cricket ... a classy cricket. Outside cricket Imran still commands respect for being honorable and honest person.
On other hand our Azhar is one of those who will sell his own mother for money. A disgrace to cricket world. Comparing him to Imran is like comparing Lion in Jungle to a Hyenna ( no disrespect to reading Hyenna).
Few years back bunch of cricketers originating from AP here in MI sponsored him and his wife to visit here. I was invited by come and shake hand and photograph with this bookie and his beautiful wife. Majority of people having self-respect politely rejected the invitation. Now I hear he is trying to become bookie in New Delhi. Good Luck!
Well said !
He has mistrusted us. I do remember throwing his wiket by giving simple catch on mid-on/off and getting run out others ! When CBI raided his home, they found 3 -4 crore of watches in his jwell box. Wonder how much money he might have made with working top bookies ? He/Sanjay Dutt and other like them know that it might come back anytime so they are getting prepared politically.
Again, MERA BHARAT MAHAAN !
On other hand our Azhar is one of those who will sell his own mother for money. A disgrace to cricket world. Comparing him to Imran is like comparing Lion in Jungle to a Hyenna ( no disrespect to reading Hyenna).
Few years back bunch of cricketers originating from AP here in MI sponsored him and his wife to visit here. I was invited by come and shake hand and photograph with this bookie and his beautiful wife. Majority of people having self-respect politely rejected the invitation. Now I hear he is trying to become bookie in New Delhi. Good Luck!
Well said !
He has mistrusted us. I do remember throwing his wiket by giving simple catch on mid-on/off and getting run out others ! When CBI raided his home, they found 3 -4 crore of watches in his jwell box. Wonder how much money he might have made with working top bookies ? He/Sanjay Dutt and other like them know that it might come back anytime so they are getting prepared politically.
Again, MERA BHARAT MAHAAN !
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dixie
08-27 11:54 PM
You dont need any law-firm to handle your canadian PR application .. it is straight-forward enough that any educated applicant can do it himself.
I am no physician myself, but from what I hear foreign physicians in Canada have to go through the whole battery of licensing exams all over again. The going will be tough at least initially till you get all the relevant licenses. But I just do not know of that many physicians who immigrated to Canada.
Our frustration with the US legal immigration and retrogression seems endless. My wife and I are considering immigration prospects to Canada. Can somebody please suggest good responsive lawfirms that could handle a Canadian PR application? We would also appreciate some insight on Canadian immigration prospects for physicians. Thanks
I am no physician myself, but from what I hear foreign physicians in Canada have to go through the whole battery of licensing exams all over again. The going will be tough at least initially till you get all the relevant licenses. But I just do not know of that many physicians who immigrated to Canada.
Our frustration with the US legal immigration and retrogression seems endless. My wife and I are considering immigration prospects to Canada. Can somebody please suggest good responsive lawfirms that could handle a Canadian PR application? We would also appreciate some insight on Canadian immigration prospects for physicians. Thanks
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vivekm1309
05-10 07:15 PM
Australia is backup option for me. For various personal reasons-I didn't chose Canada.
Cons of immigration to Canada
-Weather
-Dependency on US
-not very diverse society
Pros of Australia
-Weather
-Trading partners with N America,Europe,Asia
-Very very diverse society with east europeans,south east asians
As for job scene,I am thinking that both are almost same, but in Australia,indian firms have a major presence.It is cheaper to open an office in Melbourne than in Bangalore!.
Thanks for the details ...can suggest how can immigration to Austrailia be applied ?
Thanks
Cons of immigration to Canada
-Weather
-Dependency on US
-not very diverse society
Pros of Australia
-Weather
-Trading partners with N America,Europe,Asia
-Very very diverse society with east europeans,south east asians
As for job scene,I am thinking that both are almost same, but in Australia,indian firms have a major presence.It is cheaper to open an office in Melbourne than in Bangalore!.
Thanks for the details ...can suggest how can immigration to Austrailia be applied ?
Thanks
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snathan
01-13 02:41 PM
I just heard from attorney there are lot of debate going on in AILA and they are trying to stop this memo from being implemented...they are the one going to lose more business then the body shops....
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ramus
06-28 09:03 PM
totally agree with you.. But just feel bad that we follow all rules and somebody comes and just try to screw us..
You are right.. there are tons of things important in life then this GC.
Its not about $500.
USCIS and the US government can ask for more money. And we will happily give it to them.
Its about the stability that filing for AOS offers.
But keep in mind, you weren't able to file for AOS in June.
So maybe, we won't be able to file for AOS in July either. But thats about it. Life will go on.
So it would be best for us to stop torturing our brains.
There is not much we can do about anything. USCIS can choose to reject ALL applications received in July. AILA will issue a freaking statement. We will shed a few tears and call USCIS names.
You are right.. there are tons of things important in life then this GC.
Its not about $500.
USCIS and the US government can ask for more money. And we will happily give it to them.
Its about the stability that filing for AOS offers.
But keep in mind, you weren't able to file for AOS in June.
So maybe, we won't be able to file for AOS in July either. But thats about it. Life will go on.
So it would be best for us to stop torturing our brains.
There is not much we can do about anything. USCIS can choose to reject ALL applications received in July. AILA will issue a freaking statement. We will shed a few tears and call USCIS names.
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syzygy
07-12 04:57 PM
And also add the amount we are paying on regular basis to law firms to talking to their para legals, mental stress and percentage what contracting companies with hold along with amount we are losing because we are not in stable situation to invest in things like real estate.
I always has that question what is the real difference, hear people sayinig more taxes less salary and all that but don't know the actual difference yet.
Will appreciate if someone can shed more light or post a link.
I always has that question what is the real difference, hear people sayinig more taxes less salary and all that but don't know the actual difference yet.
Will appreciate if someone can shed more light or post a link.
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Macaca
07-04 01:01 PM
My point is not to discourage any one, but when we wirte to media, folks will investigate all before they publish to main stream. We need to be fair and should provide the correct information, else we might loose the coverage.
This is important. I am updating my original template and putting the name of the person who said it. That person should be able to stand up when needed!
Also, please look at all possible holes in my points. We need to be rock solid!
This is important. I am updating my original template and putting the name of the person who said it. That person should be able to stand up when needed!
Also, please look at all possible holes in my points. We need to be rock solid!
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Legal
07-26 10:31 AM
According to my analysis based on recipted/pending I-485 they processed some 80-90K (estimated range) EB I-485 applications which 57/65% of 140k by April 2008.
May month usage was very low, i feel June/July not to bump too much so another 20k cases. We should still have FB rollover from 07 (31K) + another 10k visa in the pool for Aug/Sept visa.
It appears FB spillover is factored into EB quota in Sep bulletin every year.
May month usage was very low, i feel June/July not to bump too much so another 20k cases. We should still have FB rollover from 07 (31K) + another 10k visa in the pool for Aug/Sept visa.
It appears FB spillover is factored into EB quota in Sep bulletin every year.
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tikka
07-04 07:42 AM
Thanks for your diggs. If you go and check the Upcoming stories tab - it has made it to the top in "Hot in All Topics" list...
keep digging....
http://digg.com/politics/U_S_Withdraws_Offer_of_60_000_Job_Based_Visas_Ange ring_Immigration_Lawyer/who 170 DIGS
http://digg.com/politics/Rep_Lofgren_Issues_Statement_on_Updated_Visa_Bulle tin 316 DIGS
http://digg.com/politics/USCIS_Visa_scandal - 134 DIGS
keep digging....
http://digg.com/politics/U_S_Withdraws_Offer_of_60_000_Job_Based_Visas_Ange ring_Immigration_Lawyer/who 170 DIGS
http://digg.com/politics/Rep_Lofgren_Issues_Statement_on_Updated_Visa_Bulle tin 316 DIGS
http://digg.com/politics/USCIS_Visa_scandal - 134 DIGS
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gbof
09-15 11:06 AM
month priority date No of appr 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006
June-08 4/1/2004 122 2 9 18 61 30
July-08 4/1/2004 88 1 7 14 29 36
August-08 6/1/2006 261 0 3 5 19 63 103 67
Sept-08 8/1/2006 3 0 1 0 0 2
Thanks for this useful info. 05 & 06 approved #s in Q-4 of 08 looks very significant - these alongwith approval of 'multiple filed AOS' will surely reduce wait time for 05-EB2i. Hop[efully before june 05 cases will be done.
June-08 4/1/2004 122 2 9 18 61 30
July-08 4/1/2004 88 1 7 14 29 36
August-08 6/1/2006 261 0 3 5 19 63 103 67
Sept-08 8/1/2006 3 0 1 0 0 2
Thanks for this useful info. 05 & 06 approved #s in Q-4 of 08 looks very significant - these alongwith approval of 'multiple filed AOS' will surely reduce wait time for 05-EB2i. Hop[efully before june 05 cases will be done.
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greyhair
01-13 09:21 PM
actaccord: I also want to see civilized discussion. But that is not possible with people like PlainSpeak/GCPerm. I know this person. He has always tried to create Eb2/Eb3 divide. The problem is not with language of some of the posts you referred as "uncivilized", the problem is that for every post there are hundreds of people silently reading each posts. Each post influences those silent readers. If unanswered snakes like GCPerm can cause a lot of damage.
In an open anonymous forum you need to develop a thick skin. Person of every strip and belief can post anything. If you cannot handle this, it is better for you to resign from accessing any or all websites.For a period of time, I felt the same way as you did but it does not work that way. Stop this nonsense of political correctness when snakes like GCPerm spit venom to divide everyone.
A forum is a combination of all sorts of ideas and expression. You may like some and you may not like some. If you or your friends find it so difficult to stand this expression, then please sit quietly in your home because you cannot join hands with anyone in this real and rough world. How long are we going to " try to gain confidence" of more members? How long? I do not want to gain confidence of anyone anymore. If I was to make a decision, I would say that I don't need those members who cannot stand a little bit of rough reality. I am not going to do anything to "gain confidence" of others. If you want to work then good for you. If you don't want to work on the issue affecting your family, then so be it. You are doing a favor to no one but yourself when you speak with your Congressman. So Good luck and Good bye. But don't preach civility to everyone if you cannot first respond to PlainSpeak. I hate this Eb2/Eb3 fight.
at least one person could respond in more civilized and matured way. These kind of response will give good impression about a forum.
Guys please keep your comments in more civilized way to keep/gain good public image of the forum.
I do read most of the threads in this forum (whenever I feel free) i feel some of members who are donors/senior members feel they can get to fight (in abusive way) with any one on any thread no matter whether it spoils the image of forum or their response adds no value to the thread. These kind of attitude can be expected from new members as they may have wrong intentions (or to just vent their frustrations) to join in a forum. But people who are very senior and donors responding in uncivilized manner is not good for them as well as the forum.
I don't see anything wrong PlainSpeak's suggestion but I can't comment on if her suggestion is workable or not. But we can just explain what is right or wrong instead of getting into fight mode.
I would like to see some kind of administration control (removing the response, warning the members) on those threads with abusive/uncivilized response. I know it is tedious job but once we have senior/donors under civilized conversation controlling new members will be of easier as seniors/donors can report those unwanted conversations.
It would be great place to share ideas (good, bad, right, wrong) if those uncivilized response is reduced. The lesser the uncivilized response more the people willing to join hands.
I wanted to join hands but those uncivilized comments keeping me away from participating. I do have friends who joined after me referring felt the same, some even stopped visiting this forum after seeing uncivilized fightings.
There are great people like amitjoey who convey the message in more civilized way (as far as I have seen) and help others (its not easy to post 1100+ posts....). I am new to this country and have very less experience and knowledge to share. But I hope one day I can guide/help some people like amitjoey.
Reason for me to share my thought is amitjoey, otherwise I would have just gone through the thread and felt bad about this forum for uncivilized comments. I am not into any group yet (Eb2/3) as my comp is not going to sponsor gc as per new policy, so I don't belong to any group (or we can say group who's gc never filed). When I read PlainSpeak's comment I thought she was right and after reading amitjoey's comment I learned another view for this issue. After reading those two comments I understand the issue and why IV took different direction or direction different from PlainSpeak's. But when I continued reading this thread I felt why some educated people with good intentions have bad thoughts and respond to others in uncivilized way. In the whole thread only two comments make's sense to me rest doesn't belong/fit to this forum.
Lets get more new members and be civilized to gain confident which will gain more strength to the forum.
In an open anonymous forum you need to develop a thick skin. Person of every strip and belief can post anything. If you cannot handle this, it is better for you to resign from accessing any or all websites.For a period of time, I felt the same way as you did but it does not work that way. Stop this nonsense of political correctness when snakes like GCPerm spit venom to divide everyone.
A forum is a combination of all sorts of ideas and expression. You may like some and you may not like some. If you or your friends find it so difficult to stand this expression, then please sit quietly in your home because you cannot join hands with anyone in this real and rough world. How long are we going to " try to gain confidence" of more members? How long? I do not want to gain confidence of anyone anymore. If I was to make a decision, I would say that I don't need those members who cannot stand a little bit of rough reality. I am not going to do anything to "gain confidence" of others. If you want to work then good for you. If you don't want to work on the issue affecting your family, then so be it. You are doing a favor to no one but yourself when you speak with your Congressman. So Good luck and Good bye. But don't preach civility to everyone if you cannot first respond to PlainSpeak. I hate this Eb2/Eb3 fight.
at least one person could respond in more civilized and matured way. These kind of response will give good impression about a forum.
Guys please keep your comments in more civilized way to keep/gain good public image of the forum.
I do read most of the threads in this forum (whenever I feel free) i feel some of members who are donors/senior members feel they can get to fight (in abusive way) with any one on any thread no matter whether it spoils the image of forum or their response adds no value to the thread. These kind of attitude can be expected from new members as they may have wrong intentions (or to just vent their frustrations) to join in a forum. But people who are very senior and donors responding in uncivilized manner is not good for them as well as the forum.
I don't see anything wrong PlainSpeak's suggestion but I can't comment on if her suggestion is workable or not. But we can just explain what is right or wrong instead of getting into fight mode.
I would like to see some kind of administration control (removing the response, warning the members) on those threads with abusive/uncivilized response. I know it is tedious job but once we have senior/donors under civilized conversation controlling new members will be of easier as seniors/donors can report those unwanted conversations.
It would be great place to share ideas (good, bad, right, wrong) if those uncivilized response is reduced. The lesser the uncivilized response more the people willing to join hands.
I wanted to join hands but those uncivilized comments keeping me away from participating. I do have friends who joined after me referring felt the same, some even stopped visiting this forum after seeing uncivilized fightings.
There are great people like amitjoey who convey the message in more civilized way (as far as I have seen) and help others (its not easy to post 1100+ posts....). I am new to this country and have very less experience and knowledge to share. But I hope one day I can guide/help some people like amitjoey.
Reason for me to share my thought is amitjoey, otherwise I would have just gone through the thread and felt bad about this forum for uncivilized comments. I am not into any group yet (Eb2/3) as my comp is not going to sponsor gc as per new policy, so I don't belong to any group (or we can say group who's gc never filed). When I read PlainSpeak's comment I thought she was right and after reading amitjoey's comment I learned another view for this issue. After reading those two comments I understand the issue and why IV took different direction or direction different from PlainSpeak's. But when I continued reading this thread I felt why some educated people with good intentions have bad thoughts and respond to others in uncivilized way. In the whole thread only two comments make's sense to me rest doesn't belong/fit to this forum.
Lets get more new members and be civilized to gain confident which will gain more strength to the forum.
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bayarea07
07-22 02:54 PM
I would agree with you on this for normal people but not for amway folks, when you are continously being pushed to being on the verge of harrasment then i would think that every human being would behave the way as we do
Moreover they are the ones who push people to behave that way.
Respect is all give and take.
I have been following this thread for last couple of days and I feel I need to make few points. I remember when this amway/qucikstar thing started several of my close friends got entangled and tried to involve me. However, every time I bailed myself out by clearly mentioning to them "Right now, making lot of money is not in my top priorities. I want to focus on my carrier." Fortunately, I was able to fend off the proposals and clearly make my point.
In this thread, several of you are mentioning to ridicule, diminish, embarrass, and even socially out casting an amway/quickstar member. I feel its going a little bit too far. If you dont like to be in the amway/quickstar business stay clear of it, nobody will be able to force you in it. Setting up anti-amway websites, sharing names of the "bugging" amway members, distributing their phone numbers, and destroying their social reputation is harming the person personally, not the amway/quickstar business. We all know by now the amway/quickstar is a scam, majority of its signed members end up losing valuable time and money. How do you feel if some of your mentioned action emotionally push a distressed person off the cliff. Think about it a bit !!!
Moreover they are the ones who push people to behave that way.
Respect is all give and take.
I have been following this thread for last couple of days and I feel I need to make few points. I remember when this amway/qucikstar thing started several of my close friends got entangled and tried to involve me. However, every time I bailed myself out by clearly mentioning to them "Right now, making lot of money is not in my top priorities. I want to focus on my carrier." Fortunately, I was able to fend off the proposals and clearly make my point.
In this thread, several of you are mentioning to ridicule, diminish, embarrass, and even socially out casting an amway/quickstar member. I feel its going a little bit too far. If you dont like to be in the amway/quickstar business stay clear of it, nobody will be able to force you in it. Setting up anti-amway websites, sharing names of the "bugging" amway members, distributing their phone numbers, and destroying their social reputation is harming the person personally, not the amway/quickstar business. We all know by now the amway/quickstar is a scam, majority of its signed members end up losing valuable time and money. How do you feel if some of your mentioned action emotionally push a distressed person off the cliff. Think about it a bit !!!
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fairman
08-16 12:26 PM
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Mamooty.. who is he?
One Mallu actor ( got national award etc.)
Mamooty.. who is he?
One Mallu actor ( got national award etc.)
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TomPlate
07-03 09:41 PM
Can somebody let me know, what are final conclusion.
maximus777
08-19 10:51 AM
Another story doing the rounds.....
SRK as usual did not comb his hair and was dressed shabbily...
Immigration officer: Who are you?
SRK with a loud voice: " Im KING KHAN ".
Immigration officer: What......???
Other Immigration officer: Sir! He said he is KING KONG.....
Immigration officer : Guys catch the monkey in disguise......
SRK: Maahaaa Maahaa Maahaa Maahaa Maahaa...
Immigration officer: Sir...Howz the monkey sounding like a Goat????
So this is how SRK was caged in America...
Good one! LMAO :D
SRK as usual did not comb his hair and was dressed shabbily...
Immigration officer: Who are you?
SRK with a loud voice: " Im KING KHAN ".
Immigration officer: What......???
Other Immigration officer: Sir! He said he is KING KONG.....
Immigration officer : Guys catch the monkey in disguise......
SRK: Maahaaa Maahaa Maahaa Maahaa Maahaa...
Immigration officer: Sir...Howz the monkey sounding like a Goat????
So this is how SRK was caged in America...
Good one! LMAO :D
raveen
08-02 06:02 PM
Hello sir, I am on H1B, a new company is hiring me and they have little knowledge about h1b issues, my h1b transfer is not filed yet, they are 100% sure that they r gonna hire me, but I haven't decided whther to work with them or not, the other day I went to their office to fillout the application for background check but they made me fill out all the forms that a candidate has to fill during the hiring process, they went ahead and filled my I-9 and w-4 forms too. I was thinking that it's all a process of pre-hiring,but after coming home I did a little research and found out that I-9 has to be filled after they transfer my h1b, do you think is it gonna be a problem?I e-mailed them not to put me in the system, did I violate any law by getting hired by them before even my visa transfer process is started?ofcourse I didn't start my work and I am not going to start until my visa tranfer is done. The employment is at will and I didn't sign any contract with them, do you think they will create any problems for me in future(if they want to)?b'cos I haven't decided to work wth them yet and I may tell them that I am not gonna join them. Please advice me I am really tensed.
Thanks in advance
Thanks in advance
