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  • chanduv23
    02-13 12:16 PM
    its been a while i read the forums..

    well... well !! chandubhai finally cooled down and talking wisdom :-)

    well "the intent is the same" :) just following some wonderful advices from some good samaritans :)

    But I will always stand on what I would like to see - What I want to see is UNITY among the community and I will be more happy if more and more people stand up and support the efforts.

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  • nandakumar
    05-28 09:47 PM
    1. Employment-Based Visa Number Movement and Predictions

    Many MurthyDotCom and MurthyBulletin readers closely track the U.S. Department of State (DOS) Visa Bulletin each month. The most recent Visa Bulletin chart is always available on MurthyDotCom. Given the importance of the cutoff dates in the Visa Bulletin, attorneys at the Murthy Law Firm are often asked for predictions as to the movement of the cutoff dates. There is no better source for this information than Charles Oppenheim, Chief of Immigrant Visa Control and Reporting Division at DOS. Mr. Oppenheim was a guest speaker at a May 20, 2009 American Immigration Lawyers Association (AILA) meeting, which was attended by most of our attorneys. Mr. Oppenheim�s explanations and visa number / Visa Bulletin expectations for the remainder of FY2009 and for FY2010 are explained below. Readers who are unfamiliar with the Visa Bulletin and the role visa numbers play in the permanent residence (commonly referred to as the �green card�) process should review some of the articles on this important topic that can be found on our website; among them, Priority Dates - How Do They Work?

    Historical Background

    Mr. Oppenheim discussed the historical background that led to the current unavailability of visa numbers, known as retrogression, for certain employment-based (EB) immigrant visa categories. Retrogression is not something new or unfamiliar in immigration law. Most EB numbers were current from July 2001 through January 2005 due to legislative that provided a temporary solution. This legislation authorized unused visa numbers from previous years to be put back into the system. Those additional numbers, along with the annual allotments, were sufficient to meet the demand until January 2005. Since January 2005, the supply of EB visa numbers has fallen short of the demand.

    Current Trends in Visa Usage

    Mr. Oppenheim stated that immigrant visa applications at U.S. consulates abroad are down seven percent from FY2008. India will use all the visa numbers that are available to its nationals this fiscal year. This is due, in part, to huge increases in the usage of EB4 and EB5 categories. Applicants from India have used twice the number of visas estimated for FY2009. Mr. Oppenheim stated that, because of the excess demand, further retrogression may occur over the summer months.

    Predictions for Movement and Usage of EB Visa Numbers

    Employment-Based, First Preference (EB1)
    Mr. Oppenheim expects that all EB1 visa numbers will be used before the end of FY2009. This may result in the establishment of a cutoff date for the EB1 categories for India and China, beginning in August or September 2009. Usage in the EB1 worldwide category (listed as "all chargeability areas except those listed") is also higher than expected. This may lead to imposition of a cutoff date toward the end of FY2009.

    Mr. Oppenheim explained that a trickling effect of unused visa numbers between EB categories has helped keep EB1 and EB2 categories current in prior years. However, due to the processing of a high number of applications, this trickling effect has already occurred, but is not expected to occur again in FY2009. Mr. Oppenheim attributed this to the hard work of the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), as well as that of the DOS, as they have succeeded in processing enough cases to likely use all available visa numbers from all categories for FY2009. He stated that the DOS and the USCIS are supposed to process enough cases to use the annual allotment of visa numbers and not leave any available visas unused and wasted in any fiscal year.

    Employment-Based, Second Preference (EB2)
    The EB2 category worldwide is also expected to be over-subscribed and will exhaust all allocated visa numbers before the end of FY2009. To date, Mr. Oppenheim estimates that 3,200 EB2 India visa numbers have been used in FY2009. The high usage in the EB1 category has prevented the usual trickle of visas to the EB2 category. Thus, China will experience the same EB2 retrogression as India in July 2009. The EB2 China cutoff date is expected to be set at January 1, 2000.

    Employment-Based, Third Preference (EB3)
    All EB3 categories are currently unavailable; all available visa numbers have been allocated. No change is expected to occur until the beginning of FY2010.

    Employment-Based, Fourth Preference / Certain Religious Workers
    There has been an unexpectedly heavy usage of visas in the EB4 categories for certain religious worker in FY2009. A cutoff date thus may be set in August or September 2009. Mr. Oppenheim stated that, if the Certain Religious Workers category becomes unavailable, applicants in the ministers category are not affected.

    Visa Numbers for Indian Nationals
    Mr. Oppenheim has set the cutoff date for EB2 India at January 1, 2000. According to current estimates, out of the approximately 200,000 I-485 applications currently pending with USCIS, 120,000 of them are chargeable to India, with the cases divided evenly between EB2 and EB3. This means that EB2 and EB3 India applicants count for 60 percent of the I-485 cases currently pending with the USCIS.

    FY2010 Predictions by Charles Oppenheim of DOS

    Mr. Oppenheim stated that he expects the EB3 worldwide category to have a cutoff date of March 1, 2003, beginning with the October 2009 Visa Bulletin. When asked about the potential cutoff dates for EB3 India, China, and Mexico, Mr. Oppenheim said that it would depend on the demand for these categories over the rest of FY2009.

    Mr. Oppenheim estimated that there are currently 25,000 EB2 and EB3 cases from Indian nationals that have been reviewed and are only waiting for visa numbers for final processing. He stated that, due to the dramatic increase in employment-based filings, visa cutoff dates for FY2010 will be much more limited to ensure that there will be a steady supply of visa numbers available throughout the year. This will lead to earlier cutoff dates and may help prevent visa categories from becoming unavailable.


    We at the Murthy Law Firm appreciate Mr. Oppenheim's commitment to addressing matters related to visa numbers and the Visa Bulletin. The continued shortage of employment-based visa numbers is a source of great frustration for many and Mr. Oppenheim's predictions do not assuage that feeling. It is better to have an understanding of the reality of the situation, however, than to operate in ignorance or with unrealistic expectations. Once again, the shortage of immigrant visa numbers underscores the need for legislation in this area to increase the numbers, change the counting of the numbers (from one per person to one per family), or to revamp the system entirely.

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  • vkrishn
    07-21 02:38 PM
    Wow. Nice to see so many Bay area folks with bad experience. When i moved to Folsom, CA from Arizona in 2005 and knew no one at Folsom, I was in a Indian grocery store buying stuff and this guy comes to me and starts talking to me nicely.. At that point i did not know about this Amway Crap and infact stayed at the same apartment complex where i was staying. he invited me for tea and started talking about how to beocme your own boss etc.. Thats about it. I politely told him i am not interested and unfortuantely i gave him phone number at that time just to keep in touch and with the only reason not to be rude. He Kept on calling me 2-3 times in a week over two weeks and had to literally be very blunt and really rude to stop harassing me! Thats the end of it.

    I met a person at Great Mall in the Bay area at Bath and Body works and i did not even give him a sec to start his pleasantires. He had a blank look on his face when i told him that if you are befriending me to join you about Amway, I will go to the Police right now that you are stalking me. He left me immediatly. :)

    One of the complaints i have heard from my other friends that if they go to a new place and try to make friends , the locals think of them as related to Amway and was also rightly pointed in this thread.

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  • grupak
    12-13 03:45 PM
    Then fight for changing that constitutinality. Who made it? Why did they make it the way the made it? Slavery was supported legally way back.. If black community might have thought " They do not have a case" as somebody has created the constitution to suit their own need and "within the framework of that legality" "they do not have a case"... then still we may be seeing slaves around.

    I understand your point that we are not yet "citizens"... but for many fair practices society must not differentiate.

    BharatPremi, as I explained to at0474, I don't see how we can fight a law in a court (maybe we can). If a law is not implemented then we can get justice from the courts.

    For changing the law, we as IV lobby congress and meet lawmakers. This is a different issue from the intent of the OP which was to challenge the legality of country quota. Seems like country quota is within the law.

    I think even as non-citizens we can meet lawmakers and past experience (not IV related) suggest they will listen.


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  • add78
    01-22 05:40 PM
    I got the below email from multiple friends. I don't know what is the source, who wrote this analysis because there is no links. I did NOT mean to spread the fear. Just sharing the contents unaltered.


    How this memorandum relates to the recent deportation events from NY and NJ airports?

    There seems to be an anticipated link between these 2 events – Memorandum and recent Deportations – kind of an indication about the current level of government scrutiny and seriousness of the H1B program. Hence, there have been advices by others that – each employer and employee should operate by strictly following the H1B program requirements.

    Please don't spread rumors or chain emails clearly written by antis or h1b haters who want to instill fear among the consultants working at client site. If you read the memo correctly, at the bottom it clearly states that it should NOT be used by CBP as a means of removal proceedings.

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  • vxg
    06-04 01:09 PM
    Instead of Interim GC we should demand that once Labor and I-140 is approved remove the restriction wherein a person has to stay in same job type until GC approved in other words allow the person to take any job while I-485 is pending. This will be a big benefit and logically makes sense. If this happens than GC wait will not pigeon hole people's career in one job and allow them to grow and contribute to economy.
    Giving an interim GC while visa number is unavailable will have the effect of bypassing the entire GC quota system. How do you want the interim card to be different from the final thing? No way that anyone in Congress will allow for their laws to be overridden through USCIS rulemaking.


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  • alisa
    01-28 11:22 AM
    Is this the reason the PDs don't move forward?
    How many pre-approved labors are there?
    I mean, if they got hundreds of thousands of pre-approved labors, the PDs will not more for a long long time......

    Such companies sell pre-approved labor certificates for several thousand dollars (I have heard 20K) and use it as a means to lure employees. Their LCs have very early priority dates and H1Bs are tempted to apply for such jobs. By mentioning LCs in their ads, they are also calling H1Bs to apply rather than being an equal opportunity employer for all people (including US citizens). All this gives a bad name for H1Bs and the greencard process. Anti immigrants use it against us in their campaign.

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  • at0474
    12-14 01:11 PM
    There was a thread some time back about people considering going to law school and becoming their own lawyers. What I took out of it was that its not that easy. Besides going to school, you have to pass some tough state exams. I am quite happy with my lawyer. I paid some dough but its much cheaper than going to law school, and saves me time and headache.

    Going to law school is not for everyone, definitely not for me (fat books scares me :eek:). I like the suggestion by garybanz about getting a qualified opinion. Just so that we know.

    --Grupak, I wasn't talking about the law here. It was villamonte, I was just requesting him to be polite. The thing I agreed about him was that we cannot call country cap quota as discrimination.


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  • Ramba
    03-31 08:47 PM
    Even Muslims in Gujarat have started realizing congress is good for nothing.Congress just makes promises that it never keeps up.Uses opportunistic politics.well of course you create opportunities that are helpful to people which will bring prosperity along with awareness.Increased awareness among masses means end to dynastic rule.So why keep up promises and shoot your self right?

    On the other hand Modi who doesn't even need Muslim votes in Gujarat has worked for overall development. In terms of this Imam from Gujarat;
    'Seeing him work for two or three years after the riots, Muslims too felt they had an opportunity to prosper in the peaceful environment that Modi government was creating. He has provided an atmosphere which is conducive for those who want to trade peacefully in Gujarat. Therefore, intelligent Muslims supported BJP during 2007 Assembly polls'

    Apparently there this group called ,'Tablighis ' who have foreign funding ( which was of course was checked by Modi govt) working towards keeping the hatred alive.It's anybody's guess who benefits from such hatred apart from congress party.

    This guy also says:
    'But let me tell you, projection of 2002 riots was much more grave than the situation actually was. '

    But you know congress party that orchestrated sikh riots went to form govt ,Rajiv Gandhi speaking about sikh riots said 'When a banyan tree falls earth will shake' then he went to be country's PM indulging in all kinds of scams.Now his wife,children are holding offices.Congress party guys directly involved in the attacks also keep getting party tickets.That OK?

    Agree hard work,entrepreneurship and other such qualities are in gujaratis's blood.Intersting how until Modi that time of prosperity never came.

    Most of Telugu people are in I.T , but time for Hyd to get onto International map didn't come until CBN.Again during the current Congress regime in Hyd that time kind of took back step.

    Name of that time is good governance.

    I am not defending any party or person. Everybody is equally bad. Let, all the Muslims in Gujarat may start love him, and entire Gujarat may vote for him. That does not matter. My point is that those people who run for high office should not have any criminal background, despite how much qualified or skilled they are. Assume, if you involved in small domestic violence, and if you fail in small background check you will not get GC even if you are a Nobel Prize winner. Think about PM post and its responsibilities.

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  • TeddyKoochu
    09-15 04:13 PM
    with everyone worried abt the economy and health reforms.. Immigration reforms are toast this year.

    While we must pursue the overall reforms,

    i suggest that we also seek temporary relief seeking lifting of the ban on filing for 485 for the next 2-3 months... this will help most EB3 and EB2 (I/C/) who missed the 2007 window.

    What are the chances of such a relief being provided?
    Will a mail campaign work?..plz raise your hand if you are interested..;)

    Yes this is much needed temporary relief, Iam for it if it comes by. I raise my hand!


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  • okuzmin
    10-05 06:07 AM
    Yes... at the time of application the H1B should be valid for at least 1 year.... I got my papers returned to me coz of this. I reapplied once I renewd my H1 for 3 more yrs

    It doesn't have to be H1B; you simply had to enter the USA legally (in any status) and stay legally in the country for at least one year. F1, J1, H1, L1, or any other status -- it doesn't matter.

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  • samay
    07-21 08:30 PM
    My dependents are out of US for almost 5 months for now and they have AP approved before they left US and they are planning to come to US in couple of weeks from now on AP. Our PD is going to be current in Aug08. Is this OK to be out of US for this much time when AOS is pending? Staying out of US for this long would effect their AOS processing in any way?

    Its fine so long as they are back before their AP expires.


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  • andy garcia
    02-23 07:23 AM
    Looking only at LCs that are awaiting immigrant visa numbers (ie, LCs that are "still in process" or "certified after current EB3 ROW cutoff dates") here is how it looks (copy to an XL sheet to view properly):

    Period, World, India(22%), EB2-India(41% of India), EB2-India-Family(*2.1)
    1997 to 2002, 269311, 59271, 24320, 51072
    2002 to 2003, 36200, 7967, 3269, 6865
    2003 to 2004, 13145, 2893, 1187, 2493
    2004 to 2005, 6133, 1350, 554, 1163

    The pre 2002 numbers pending are really bad. The last column sums up the situation for EB2-India. Use your own %ages to calculate the situation for EB3. It is clear that forward movement will be held back due to the huge chunk of LCs from 1997 to 2002 which are being certified.

    So the situation is indeed hopeless and lobbying is the only way out.

    Don't forget that a lot of those LC were being used for substitution($$$$) by the consulting companies. Once the regulation about eliminating substitution goes into effect. Some of those will not be able to be recycled.

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  • sivasiva
    03-26 10:06 AM

    Is it possible to substitute labor as future employee?



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  • unseenguy
    08-16 02:35 PM
    So what has that to do with supporting SRK here?
    He is saying he is hurt and he even said there were fans calling him and still the officers did not understand he is SharRukh Khan. Now that is funny.

    That sounds like if some xyz is detained and people start calling him by his name POE officers should understand who he is!

    Well, explain to me, if an american celebrity, such as Brad Pitt or George Clooney is detained at IGI for 66 mins, taken aside for secondary in another chamber, made to wait,

    if robert gates (defense secretary), is asked to remove his shirt

    if ex president bush or clinton is frisked for secondary, would that be acceptable to americans?

    NO. We agree on the answer atleast. Do people in India have to KNOW them?

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  • lazycis
    02-15 04:08 PM
    I read the end and it was unfortunate. I was talking about visa number reservation where they can reserve visa numbers for us in the future years based on the previous mistake they did. The court can compel USCIS to give visa numbers but maybe not in the same year but in a period of several years where there can put the newly applied i-485's on hold.

    Here is the story. DV immigrant is eligible to receive visa until fiscal year end. After the fiscal year ended, a DV immigrant is no longer eligible to receive visa.
    8 USC 1154(a)(1)(I)(ii)
    (II) Aliens who qualify, through random selection, for a visa under section 1153 (c) of this title shall remain eligible to receive such visa only through the end of the specific fiscal year for which they were selected.

    The story is different for EB immigrants. Their eligibility does not expire. That's why it's possibile to recapture numbers from the previous years.


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  • saimrathi
    07-03 06:58 PM
    On 7/3/07, Senator_Clinton@clinton.senate.gov <Senator_Clinton@clinton.senate.gov> wrote:

    Dear Friend:

    Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts and concerns with me
    via e-mail. I hope you will understand that, because of the volume of
    e-mails I receive from residents of New York State, I cannot at this time
    respond to messages received from residents of other states. I encourage
    you to contact your U.S. senators if you have an issue or concern that
    needs immediate attention. You can access your senators electronically by
    visiting http://www.senate.gov/contacting/index_by_state.cfm for a listing
    of their contact information. If you are still interested in learning
    more about the work I am doing on behalf of New York State, I hope you
    will continue to monitor my work through my website at


    Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton
    New York State

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  • chanduv23
    02-15 11:48 AM
    Thanks for an excellent research and arguments. Some of the arguments are well presented.

    Well, if you are not ready to lead and we do not have anyone else to lead then whats the point of forming the yahoo group? Please don't get me wrong, I am just trying to find out the objective of this yahoo group.

    I think lazycis taking a step forward towards the creation of a group, but does not seem confident he/she will lead the group, but I am sure will definitely lead the group

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  • mpadapa
    09-23 10:57 AM
    I support this idea.
    Let us not deliberate about the details about the proposal. Let us leave it to the lawmakers to broaden the scope of the proposal. The key is to make the lawmakers aware that the EB immigrants can and are willing to provide a helping hand to improve the current housing crisis.

    01-14 01:15 PM
    Does this Memo affects for POE for existing Valid stamped Visas ?


    09-04 01:01 PM
    You moron coming from the slum region or any other place in Bihar.
    You don't know about keralites.
    100% Literacy.
    Living standard is same like Europe. (no other state have the facilities such as health care and standard of living like Kerala).
    It is God's own country.
    Visit and see the details.
    Even the guys working in Gulf countries knows better than you and making much more than you. Go and see their houses.(multi storied), You are still in an appartment.
    Do you ????

    You are _TrueFacts aka poorslumdog aka insider

    Mr.Nair...I would love to be an insider. Please get me the access.:D