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  • NKR
    02-19 02:51 PM
    NKR, my friend, i'm puzzled, u speak of in-state tuition, visa stamping, life insurance.. how is that different for ROWs from others, we are all the same in that, we are all the same being skilled immigrants all of us, when i complain that someone says indians and chinese are here in larger numbers because they are best and brightest and ask them to be sensitive it doesn't mean that we all suffer the same hardships.. when i state the fact that bodyshops contributed to the longer lines for some countries i don't say i'm indifferent to your suffering, but i also say it can't be fixed by making another group suffer

    You have to look at the context in which my comments were made. Somebody said that H4 spouses go to college and pay instate fees but they have to pay international fees. I never said that ROW people do not have any of those problems but it just that we have to endure that for some more years. Having said that, I reiterate that I want my GC fast but not at the expense of ROW people. They do not have to endure a longer wait.

    I thought this thread was given a decent burial, I could trust only you to bring this thread back to life with your hidden agenda of driving a wedge between Indians/Chinese and ROW.

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  • sgmavinkurve
    07-21 07:32 PM
    Folks, let's not stereotype desis or any particular race. I ran into this Malaysian couple of Chinese descent who approached my wife and I at IKEA in the Chicago area. They tried some of the same techniques as described in this thread...
    I was very surprised and confused because we had no connection in terms of race, native language, or look. I am hard core - lungi-dhari desi :) So you see it's the Amway/Quixtar/BWW culture and nothing to do with any race, regionalism or language. My $0.2

    I don't think anyone was suggesting that race or ethnic background has anything to do with it. There was no suggestion that the Amway bug bites only Desis. The Amway bug can bite anybody regardless of their background. All are vulnerable.

    Yet, the fact of the matter is that the Amway bug has bitten more than a few people in the Desi community, and those individuals are actively trying to lure others. And from what I've seen and heard, they primarily target other Desis. We should be aware.

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  • vdlrao
    07-21 08:14 PM
    I am amazed by your calculations and how much effort you put into this. What is the conclusion come october. EB2 I will move fwd or will be current or will be retrogressed?

    In 2007 the total EB1+EB2 VISAS are 70859

    IN THE WORST CASE the total (EB1+ EB2) Visas for 2008 are 111,016
    which are 40,000 more when you compared to 2007

    IN THE BEST CASE, (ASSUMING USCIS USES ALL 28,795 unused VISAS of AC21 FOR 2008 ) the total (EB1+ EB2) Visas for 2008 are 133,212
    which are 62,000 more when you compared to 2007.

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  • GCNirvana007
    09-04 12:41 AM
    I mean you guys are fighting like retarded. Use your head. What you going to gain by proving your point.

    No wonder so called highly skilled get treated so "highly" by USCIS.


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  • ArkBird
    07-26 06:51 PM
    Here is one potential answer...

    Yes, you will retire at 40 because no self-respecting person will come near you let alone hire you so I guess you will have to retire and that $xxxx/per month, please feel free to replace it with disability (of course mental!) benefits from your state! ;)


    I am not with Amway or Quixtar but I think the folks with Amway/Quixtar are under represented on this thread and it's not fair :-)

    Just to add another dimention to this thread I will play the devil's advocate :D

    Here I go ...

    You guys are all wasting your free time bitching on this thread where as we are spending all our free time growing our business. We will retire early as we would make $xxxx/month for nothing when we turn 40 and dont need to work anymore where as all you guys bitching about Amway / Quixtar will still be working hard at your jobs till 60.

    What's your response ?


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  • ronhira
    01-13 08:53 PM
    This will only increat outsourcing and actually hurt US economy and jobs...too bad that "blinded" politicians do not recognize this.

    they r blinded....... remember..... but they will recognize..... when most of the jobs are outsourced....


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  • dvb123
    02-14 07:46 PM
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Why_Sania_wont_be_hounded_in_the_US_for_insulting_ flag/articleshow/2783772.cms

    The Supreme court has the right to strike down laws effecting people

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  • srikanth
    07-11 06:23 PM
    Hi congrats and good luck !!!

    but, remember Once an American Always an American !!!

    Live free or Die !!!

    Please, do come back , when they fix immigration system... America does need skilled talented professionals like you to compete against outsourcing in a flat world.

    and remember Canada does not yet has a professional football team, go patriots !!!


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  • gc4me
    03-27 10:19 AM
    I did some internet search and found this Q&A in murthy.com
    Cooool...people go ahead with LC Sub.

    Q. I have a pending green card case based on a substituted labor. Do I need to worry about this proposed regulation?
    A. It would not seem to affect pending green cards based on substituted labor, as long as the substitution was not being requested through the DOL. This regulation prohibits substitution through the DOL. So, if it were to go into effect, it is possible that it would end all pending requests for substitution of beneficiaries made to the DOL.
    Most substitution requests are made via the USCIS at the I-140 petition filing stage. This involves labor certifications that have already been approved, and the substitution request is made in the filing of the I-140 petition at the USCIS. The regulation attacks this process by making labor certifications valid for only 45 days. Thus, all I-140s would have to be filed within 45 days of labor certification approval. Even if the regulation were to pass, however, it does not appear that it would have the power to terminate pending I-140s (even if based on LC substitution). If the cases are proper when filed, it does not seem that the regulation would extend to pending USCIS cases since the proposed regulation is a DOL, not a USCIS, regulation. If it were a USCIS regulation, then it could impact pending I-140 cases for which the labor certification is over 45 days old at the time of filing - not just LC substitution cases. Those cases with approved I-140s do not appear to be vulnerable to this proposed regulation.

    How do you now that? Any sources?

    If text of the proposed memo will be the same, then all pending I-140 based on LC substitution should be denied.

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  • Aah_GC
    08-16 12:17 AM
    Yes, ofcourse he is a demon. There are hundereds of thousands of people are dying without food. Not everyone is taking the arms and killing innocent people. He is a fanatic. He deserves nothing less than death. He should be cut into pieces and should be a lesson for other terrorist.

    Poverty is the reality of our subcontinent, the reason Kasab took arms was out of ignorance not due to deliberate fundamentalism, even if latter were true, it is all desperation. The thousands of hungry dying people you point out might just take up arms if they had a choice to beat poverty.
    How bright were we when we were 20 year olds? I am in no way supporting Kasab, he will meet his end eventually. But we need to open our minds to the root causes of terrorism, when we do that we have an opportunity to leave our children with a better world. Cutting someone into pieces won't fetch you much, that is no different from Taliban's approach of stoning infidel women, singers and anti-shariats.


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  • msyedy
    01-26 11:20 AM
    Thanks Pappu. Is this called Labour substitution? I don't know that term.Any input regarding this is greatly appreciated.

    Labor substitution is not encouraged by INS any more, but is still possible.
    Use the old labor and file for premium I-140. If approved you can use that priority date.

    Simple as that, premium result will be in 15 days.

    Best of luck.... Though I dont encourage this, and I am against this because people are just moving ahead which is not a fair.

    But nowadays.with this retrogression and we fighting for our provisions I have become more stable and want any of my efforts to help anyone and this is making me happy/

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  • polapragada
    09-24 12:12 AM
    I like this idea. And will support it. ANd write the E-mail


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  • sameer2730
    01-19 11:33 AM
    Just because no one can trace you on an anonymous forum please do not say anything that comes to your mind. These are hard times. Please chip in with genuine solutions else keep to yourself.
    This constant battering of consulting companies is not doing any good. Yes they exist and have existed legally for a while. Do not take advantage of this memo to vent out your own frustrations. It puts us all at risk and hurts the entire image of people working on H1b especially Indians.
    Most of us here are very educated (usually a Masters). Lets respect that fact and contribute to meaningful resolution. I suspect a number of anti-immigrant Indians(who are permanant residents or citizens) are on this forum (you can tell from the number of posts they made and the reds they have received). They are only trying to provoke us. Do not take the bait. Please please ignore them.

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  • delax
    07-26 06:36 PM
    However, these students are not completely exempted from the H1B quota for each year. Whatever, if PERM filing in year 2008 has witnessed 46% drop since 2007 ... it tells us a lot.

    Thats true - students were not exempt until a couple of years ago - but the point I am trying to make is that they add to the EB - India count thereby retrogressing it further.
    Looking at only BIG IT sponsored H1b's may result in a much reduced EB number


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  • Kodi
    05-12 03:08 PM
    Tamils live the same life as Sinhala and Muslims, if you're visited sri lanka you would see that. Schools are open to everyone within their respective distances, tamils conduct business same as muslims and sinhala. What you're discussing is something that happened when the country was given independance and the sinhala policy came into act. This is not the case anymore in sri lanka, if it was all the tamils in the country would have moved to the north where their so called saviors were fighting.

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  • vamsi_poondla
    02-14 12:06 PM
    I do not support law suit for two reasons,
    1) I do not believe that lawsuit will bring a positive decision that benefits the whole community.
    2) I do not know any of those who tells that they support lawsuits, their level of commitment for becoming plaintiffs, commit the $s, time and energy

    I dont care if USCIS scrutinizes those plaintiffs applications closely. They can and they should. Those who are in such a good strong GC cases alone can come forward and participate because if it is legal battle, every thing is fair on both parties to use all legal means to weaken other party.

    You can stretch a government agency only to certain extent. No one can prove that USCIS intentionally took decisions so that they waste the visas. Just like my client cannot sue me for the bugs I introduced in my code.(in my good developer days). At the most court might ask agency to prove that they improved the process which USCIS can prove easily.

    I urge all members to understand the reasons why we should not support lawsuit. It is not a true consumer rights issue. It is a government agency with limited resources, ideas and priorities.

    Finally, what is it to the community on the whole - recapture of unused numbers. Then what whoever gets GC will be happy with their life and what about other deserving GC aspirants. As an organization, our objectives are very clear - we are pro-legal immigration, grass-roots organization for GC Reforms. We believe in lobbying. We believe in making the agencies improve the process, work with congress to increase numbers/ remove country caps, believe in the benefits of legal highly skilled immigration. If the idea is to benefit those 20% before 2004/2005 and not the whole community, I think it is selfish.

    I believe in IV strength, IV core principles, IV approach and IV leadership maturity. Every scenario is carefully thought, researched and evaluated even before turning down that idea.

    Success has many fathers but failure is an orphan. IV is the kind of organization which keeps the failure attempts also transparent and keeps the members in loop. It also introspects what went wrong and changes the course in next step. Admin relief is the first and foremost priority for us. next is increased lobbying with lawmakers.


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  • we_r_d_world
    07-30 02:08 AM
    Here is the story (in a free book format) of a big Shot (I believe he was emerald ) who went broke while doing amway (MUST READ BEFORE DOING AMWAY)


    Since you are in bay area I will reply to you. I don't need to see his tax papers, as long I can see mine. IF you are happy with your thinking so be it...stay where you are...and you can google froogle whatever you want. You will find your like minded people there too.

    I don't need to share my thoughts here...its like talking to anti-immigrants on legal/illegal immigration.
    Peace OUT!!

    I read theis book (Thanks Bayarea07) took me 2 days to complete.......Very touching, mindblowing. Got lot of lingo out of the book...
    Please read it...it has "negative" in it, lot of "lazy" people in there......
    Wakeup...don't ruin your family's future for few dollars. Spend time with your family and Enjoy with your family...... Please.!!!

    Give me Red, see if I care!!!

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  • pappu
    04-01 12:45 PM
    Calm down everyone.

    The thread was posted in a seperate area we have created for such posts. As Marphad said, you cannot discuss immigration all day. IV is a platform for everyone in the community to be together. If you just talk about immigration, we may not get the number of people we need for action items. When we start action items to make calls, send faxes etc, we want people sending it in thousands and not hundreds. It hurt us last year when we had such action items and participation was thin. If we make the forums strictly to discuss immigration it will hurt us in time of need when we will desperately need massive participation. This is part of a plan in moving forward for IV and we are building a platform for immigrants to come and stay here and consider it as their home. This work is still under process and you will see its fruits when we have a big bill like CIR. There is a possibility of CIR after August and we need to be ready for it. We are hearing health care reform coming before CIR at this time. There is pressure from CHC and it will be tough to ignore.

    So do not get emotional and start fighting. It is tme to be united and increase the membership of our community. We will need to burn the phone lines and jam the fax machines with our participation when the time comes.

    I have deleted my post on this thread. As an administrator I represent IV and I will keep in mind not to air my personal views on politics as they can be misinterpreted as IV's views.


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  • JazzByTheBay
    07-03 06:35 PM
    http://digg.com/politics/Rep_Lofgren...Bulle tin/who (http://digg.com/politics/Rep_Lofgren_Issues_Statement_on_Updated_Visa_Bulle tin/who)

    It's showing up on the front page now as far as I can tell.


    07-30 06:31 AM

    posted 07-24 09:59 AM

    Ron Gotcher has some thoughts on India E2 movement over the next two months.

    More and more, I see people posting messages containing the unspoken assumption that since the Indian E2 cutoff date has moved forward, it is likely to move forward further in the coming months. This is a false hope.

    Even with a cutoff date in early 2003, the CIS has sufficient inventory of Indian E2 adjustments on file to use up the remaining inventory of E2 visas for this fiscal year. The reason that the Visa Office advanced the priority date is to move it up to the point where overseas consular posts can take up the slack left by the CIS's inability to close out enough cases and avoid wasting visas this year.

    The CIS inventory of pending cases is massive. If there were no quota at all - if everyone were suddenly "current" - and no new cases were filed after today, it would still take the CIS four to five years to close out all of the pending cases that they already have in their inventory.

    Overseas consular posts maintain inventories of cases as well. When the priority date for a particular case starts to edge forward and it appears that the applicant may become "current' in the not too distant future, the applicant is told to submit all required supporting documents to the post or the NVC. When this is done, the applicant is reported to the Visa Office as being "documentarily qualified." This means that the case is in a position where an immigrant visa can be issued to the applicant as soon as a visa number becomes available.

    The inventory of documentarily qualified cases with current priority dates at a consular post never exceeds that post's ability to process all such cases within sixty days. Consular posts have very high bandwidth processing capabilities. No matter how many cases become current, they are able to process all of them within sixty days.

    The reason that the Indian E2 cutoff date has moved forward is that the Visa Office fears that the CIS will not be able to adjudicate enough adjustment of status applications to exhaust the annual quota. They have advanced the cutoff date in order to make more cases overseas eligible for final processing.

    This means that overseas consular posts have exhausted their inventories of Indian E2 cases with priority dates earlier than 2006 and the Visa Office had to move the cutoff date forward in order to make more cases eligible to be closed out.

    This does not mean that the CIS has closed out all of the pre-2006 cases pending in their inventory. Far from it. When the new fiscal year starts, Indian E2 is likely to retrogress back to late 2002 or early 2003. This is roughly the point reached by the CIS in processing their inventory of pending cases.

    Please understand that this is a temporary phenomenon and due entirely to the difference in the processing capabilities of the CIS and the overseas consular posts.

    I hope this clarifies matters.

    Ron Gotcher

    this makes no sense (with all due respect to Mr Gotcher). He basically claims that PD has been moved to allow CP cases to be processed faster to avoid visa number wastage.. However he also says that there is a huge backlog of AOS cases. Looking at how many CP cases are being called for interview in mumbai and delhi (low hundreds) I dont see how CP alone can help avoid a big wastage of visas. If USCIS is still 20k short, then its the massive pile of AOS cases they should be using, just like they did last year.

    Also, if they waste visa numbers this year, it would be really gross incompetence. EB2-India has gone all the way from 2000 to 2006 this year. They slack off at the start of the year, then scramble in the end. I dont know why they follow this approach knowing full well that right at the end it puts them in a soup.

    12-13 01:28 PM
    --Any country's immigration policy has to have some control measures built into it. I cannot imagine any country opening its gates wide open for the entire world to migrate into her without any limitations. So the question is, whom to "restrict" and whom to allow? This leads to the same argument, do you see this "restriction" as discrimination? There are others who see as fair "reservation" for them.

    there is no "reservation", the nature of the clause is a cap, it does not give another country a minimum quota, it is written as a restrictive provision. and again- just because it benefits someone else does not make discrimination "right", in the strictest sense. right and wrong when it comes to discrimination are not relative. and if you believe they are, it's mighty slippery slope my friend because it does not take time to find yourself on the other side.

    --Good question. If we look at what qualifies a country to be included in the lottery program (oversubscription etc?), it would again lead to the "balancing" intent with regards to immigration.

    so why the double dipping? if the balancing is done, why the country quota? the result is that as i said more bangladeshis come in than indians...so what does over subscription mean in the end? again...why the need for the diversity lottery? the country quota already balances things....or not?

    "either it's wrong or right. the caste system is wrong, from every side of the fence. it may benefit some and hurt others. but it's wrong, wrong and wrong.
    same for this country quota. sure it helps some, and looks good from "their side of the fence". that does not change the fact that it is wrong."

    --You are opining that it is wrong. You cannot state that it is a fact

    you sound suspiciously supportive of the caste system. i will say it again. such a system is wrong. i do not care which side of the fence you are on. was depriving blacks from voting wrong? or was it ok from the white side of the fence? please think before you post.
    there is a difference between "something benefiting me so i justify it and fight to keep it" and being right or fair. everyone fights to keep what they have. sorry, still not right. and if you still feel the caste system can be justified as right from your (or any) side of the fence then let's stop here, we have no common ground. and i speak as someone with sufficiently "high caste" to have not suffered from it (so you know my side of the fence).

    one last thing, i find it hard to believe you are terming as "right" the idea that I as an individual should be held back 10 years longer than my colleague because of where i was born. any way i look at it...sorry...just not right.